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Title: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 07, 2010, 12:29:56 AM
Hi,

I've got a few Moke projects on the go at the moment, and thought some of you might enjoy seeing what I'm up to. Just don't expect any of them to be finished in a hurry - I'm quite good at taking my time! ;D

With a few showers today I couldn't do any harvesting, so had a go at the front subframe out of my white moke. The front suspension was completely stuffed, and it had taken a nasty hit to the drivers side bumpstop.

Can't paint it and put it back looking like this!!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_06_12_10_10_13_08.jpeg)

The bumpstop left a nice imprint, but amazingly was still in one piece and quite OK.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_06_12_10_10_13_35.jpeg)

I've been thinking about how to get the bend out since I bought the moke a year ago, and had lots of ideas. But finally settled on using a porta power to push it out the way it went in. The tool kit included a bit of 1/2 inch plate 4 inches wide, a bit of inch pipe and an old pivot pin.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_06_12_10_10_14_31.jpeg)

There's not much room in there, but a 4 ton mini ram just fitted.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_06_12_10_10_14_58.jpeg)

No idea if it would work - but ready to give it a go........

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_06_12_10_10_15_25.jpeg)

Pretty pleased with that!!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_06_12_10_10_16_00.jpeg)

Just a few sharp dents to tidy up with a dolly tomorrow, then sandblasting time.


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: SMOKEN on December 07, 2010, 04:58:20 AM
G'day Md,
           Theres no doubt about it. You're a clever guy.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on December 07, 2010, 06:05:56 AM
how many mokes have you on the go as to going....
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on December 07, 2010, 07:14:49 AM
Nice solution to a tricky problem MD. Came up very nicely.


Newie
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on December 07, 2010, 08:17:46 AM
Good thinking 99....

I would of cut it off and welded a new piece of steel on the end, but this is WAY better...

all you need is good tools which is half the job ;D

mavro.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on December 07, 2010, 08:40:54 AM
MD,

Very nice solution, but whats wrong with levering it out with a big shifter. :)

Now you have it fixed you can weld a bit of plate on there and fit the hydraliastic bumpstop and never have the problem again.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on December 07, 2010, 08:43:03 AM
Good thinking 99....

I would of cut it off and welded a new piece of steel on the end, but this is WAY better...

all you need is good tools which is half the job ;D

mavro.

Cutting it out is not really the best way to fix it. By levering or pushing it out like MD has done it also puts the top of the tower back into the shape it should be. If you cut out the bent section the rest of the tower is still 'de-shaped' and you may have problems fitting the donut.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Duke on December 07, 2010, 09:52:35 AM
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills MD.
Looking forward to more from The Dog Blog.

David
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Halfpint on December 07, 2010, 12:28:24 PM
Love your work MD  8)
Cheers
Halfpint
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: sa mokin on December 07, 2010, 03:20:40 PM
Finally a first look at those famous WA projects - now we can see how things are done properly!!  (I didn't think you guys were getting a harvest!)   ;)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Samm on December 07, 2010, 05:19:55 PM
But finally settled on using a porta power to push it out the way it went in. The tool kit included a bit of 1/2 inch plate 4 inches wide, a bit of inch pipe and an old pivot pin.

but a 4 ton mini ram just fitted.


I've been wandering what I could use that spare porta power I just have laying around at home for :P

Well done Maddog. As others have said you really are a smart cookie and I envy your skills and tools.

Thanks for sharing.
Samm

P.S I'd be careful not to share too many location details otherwise you may find subframes and all sorts
of things arriving to be fixed by the MadDo(g)-ctor.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Fred flinstone on December 07, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
MD,

Very nice solution, but whats wrong with levering it out with a big shifter. :)

Now you have it fixed you can weld a bit of plate on there and fit the hydraliastic bumpstop and never have the problem again.

Terry
Yes I had the same problem Tery was write on the money when I showed a photo of my moke at a sevice day  I used one of thoughs giant shifters  to straiten out  my sub frame But great idear Mad Dog
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: ratty on December 07, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
Mine was a big shifter job too, but go maddog.

Cheers, Ratty
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 08, 2010, 12:08:40 AM
Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the comments - a good incentive for me to get over the shed and get more done! ;)

A shifter would have been a lot easier, and all I've ever had to use before, but this one had rolled the outside edge up quite a bit where the little hole is. The sides were pulled in a good half inch too - which made it fun getting the donut out! Plus I can't see myself kicking the moke habit any time soon, so it might come in handy again.

Martin - I've got two on the road and three in bits, but the white one is just a mechanical tidy up and I'm hoping won't take too long (but I think I said that about the other two as well...... :-[). Then there's a couple more long term ones for when I retire.

SA - Like most others in the state we had a very miserable harvest, but at least we got something. Some areas weren't so lucky.


Cheers, MD.

P.S. Samm - I think I'm fairly safe out here, it's a bloody long drive just to get a few Moke bits fixed! ;D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Pete Power on December 08, 2010, 09:23:58 AM
Good work Oh Great Rabid one, thanks for sharing. We have a small Enerpac at work so if I ever do some Jumps in MM I'll be ok.
Would be interesting to see what sort of incident caused the damage in the 1st place. Or is it from just driving around on stuffed donunts? What condition were the Trumpets in?
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Halfpint on December 08, 2010, 09:57:30 AM
A shifter would have been a lot easier, and all I've ever had to use before, but this one had rolled the outside edge up quite a bit where the little hole is. The sides were pulled in a good half inch too - which made it fun getting the donut out! Plus I can't see myself kicking the moke habit any time soon, so it might come in handy again.
Ah yes MD, there is indeed a good use for a shifter( and no bolt or nut in sight ) when its used as an absolute last resort, but you are showing there still can be a better way to do stuff.  :D 8) .

Then there's a couple more long term ones for when I retire.

I thought farmers never retire,          they just stop collecting stuff  !  ;D ;D ;D


Hope the harvest is ok for you and  all the farms over near the Kennel. I know I'll be hungry soon and will need all our Auzzie farmers geared up.


cheers
Halfpint
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on December 08, 2010, 01:37:51 PM
Ah yes MD, there is indeed a good use for a shifter( and no bolt or nut in sight ) when its used as an absolute last resort, but you are showing there still can be a better way to do stuff.  :D 8) .


 ;D ;D ;D

I thought farmers never retire,          they just stop collecting stuff  !  ;D ;D ;D

One out of two HP. I knew an 86 year old farmer here that I chatted to at a clearing sale on Sunday where he bought half a ute load of stuff that "might come in handy one day". Saw him out spraying weeds in his front paddock on Sunday and saw his funeral notice in the paper on the Wednesday.


Glad to hear you'll at least get something after your tough year MD. Most of the blokes around here are getting very little if any grain off their best crop in years as they can't get on their blacksoil paddocks and the sun won't come out for more than an hour at a time to dry out the grain  :(


Newie
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 08, 2010, 09:44:28 PM
Gee HP - you really don't like shifters, do you? But I know what you mean - most mechanics I've met only put their shifter down to pick up a hammer (or a fag). ;D

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I thought farmers never retire,          they just stop collecting stuff  !

My father is collecting enough stuff for both of us. ;)

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I know I'll be hungry soon and will need all our Auzzie farmers geared up.

Exactly. Most people think it doesn't affect them, but we all need to eat occasionally!

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Most of the blokes around here are getting very little if any grain off their best crop in years as they can't get on their blacksoil paddocks and the sun won't come out for more than an hour at a time to dry out the grain :(

Yes, that would be heartbreaking. And if they do get something I imagine it will be sprouted and worth FA. We're not getting much, but the quality and price is good.

 MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 08, 2010, 10:16:26 PM
Anyway, getting back on topic - I got an early Xmas present from Mrs Maddog today!!

What do you think of these...........

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_08_12_10_8_09_17.jpeg)

Makes the grotty old tombstones look like new - and a close up of the best bit! ;D ;D

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_08_12_10_8_09_59.jpeg)

Probably not the best quality seat covers in the world, but not bad for $75 posted and they fit. Mrs. Maddog just sent a photo of my logo and they put it on at no extra cost. There was some confusion when she told them the dimensions (they wouldn't believe any car had seats that small ;D), but they now have moke seats on file and photos.

She found them through eBay  - user name qualitycovers_au. Or their website www.designcovers.com

They were extremely helpful and only took 7 days to arrive (from China).


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on December 08, 2010, 10:22:02 PM
So Nice ....I want to howl.... :P
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on December 08, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
Wow..... very nice MD  :)

Makes me wish I had a cool logo to put on a set of seatcovers


Newie
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Bronta Moke on December 08, 2010, 10:36:01 PM
The seats are sensational Mad Dog, does Mrs MAd Dog have a sister?
Bronta (the envious)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: moemoke on December 08, 2010, 10:39:22 PM
Wow..... very nice MD  :)

Makes me wish I had a cool logo to put on a set of seatcovers


Newie


and some seats to put the seat covers on,
and a going moke to put the seats into ;) ;D



They do look good though MD
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on December 08, 2010, 11:41:40 PM

and some seats to put the seat covers on,
and a going moke to put the seats into ;) ;D

Details Moe..................details  ;D

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Darth Moke on December 09, 2010, 06:45:02 AM


Sooooooooo Nice Chien Fou !!!  really cool !!!
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Pete Power on December 09, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
Good work MD, top colurs as well Pt Adel Magpies
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on December 09, 2010, 10:26:21 AM
They are a nice touch - I will have to save that website for later!
Martin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: justmokeing on December 09, 2010, 02:34:24 PM
They are cool MD, hope you got the wife something good ;D
Regards JM
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 09, 2010, 02:40:19 PM
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They are cool MD, hope you got the wife something good

Sure did - a brand new pulsar dizzy is in the mail! ;D ;D


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on December 09, 2010, 03:10:34 PM
now thats romantic ;D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: HAG on December 09, 2010, 08:44:45 PM
Yep....Thats a real legopena
You should do well with that ::)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 15, 2010, 02:05:38 AM
Not much happening in the kennel lately.........end of school celebrations, free drinks at the local businesses and something on the 25th that we have to buy gifts for - it's all severly impacting on my shed time! ;)

Arnold broke a toe (wheel stud) a few weeks ago, and I finally found time to get that fixed. Made a jig out of an old brake disc to hold the flange while belting the old ones out.....

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_15_12_10_12_26_50.jpeg)

He now has eight new wheel studs on the front, as well as a set of Terry's stainless hubcaps - 1000% better than the old ones with the crappy eBay stickers!

Managed to get two trips to the shops in before he presented me with his next challenge......

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_15_12_10_12_24_10.jpeg)

I'm a bit peed off about that to be honest, the radiator is a UK two core and less than two years old! Looks to be coming from the bottom tube plate, so it has to come out and tanks off. It actually leaked from new, but not this bad. There is very little solder on it - I think the paint was all that sealed it.

I'm tossing up now whether to fix it or modify a shroud and put a 4 core in him. Bugger, bugger, bugger!


Cheers, MD.

P.S. -
Quote
You should do well with that
I do OK thanks Haggy...... ;D ;D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 28, 2010, 01:03:16 AM
Not much progress in the last two weeks, although I did find time this afternoon to chop a wok cover in half........

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_27_12_10_11_23_23.jpeg)

But I haven't gone mad (yet) - one half will be put to good use in an upcoming project. ;)


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on December 28, 2010, 06:56:36 AM
that looks like you chopped 2 wok covers in half..
Martin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on December 30, 2010, 01:33:19 AM
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that looks like you chopped 2 wok covers in half..

It does a bit, but definitely the same one! The magic of bead blasting.... ;D

Anyway, this is what I was trying to acheive - a nice clear view of bits not normally seen.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_30_12_10_12_21_51.jpeg)


If I had a spare motor it would be fun to keep going!


MD.

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on December 30, 2010, 08:10:18 AM
wow MD ! that looks gr8...

mav.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on December 30, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
When I was at school the tech drawing teacher had an A series engine that had been sectioned.
It turned over and the pistons moved - cam turned etc.
I cant remember a lot about it though, as it was a few days ago!.

martin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Fred flinstone on January 07, 2011, 11:52:28 AM
When I was at school the tech drawing teacher had an A series engine that had been sectioned.
It turned over and the pistons moved - cam turned etc.
I can remember a lot about it though as it was a few days ago!.

martin
Yes looks a bit like som thing out of a school Automotive class ;D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on January 16, 2011, 01:16:50 AM
I managed to stop Arnold's old radiator leaking today....

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_16_01_11_12_01_51.jpeg)

Squeezing the new 4 core back in tomorrow could be a bit harder though. :-\

And don't tell Mrs Maddog, but the clothes line made a good painting rack. ;D

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/957_16_01_11_12_10_48.jpeg)


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Halfpint on January 16, 2011, 01:32:26 AM
So MD, what was the problem with th 2 core you had in before?
Not easily fixed? or was the 4 core the best option for now?
HP
engine bay looks good by the way ;)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on January 16, 2011, 02:31:14 AM
Hi HP,

I'm hoping there's not much wrong with the old one - I think it's just a lack of solder, so I will definitely get it fixed or have a go myself.

I bought the 4 core years ago to put in, but because Arnold was originally a 998 he had the wrong shroud and the 4 core wouldn't fit. So I just shoved the 2 core in as a quick fix. And it worked well for two years!

It will be interesting to see if there is any difference - although I have never had any problems anyway, even with the original 3 core with half a dozen tubes pinched off. The 4 core should be better being a lot thicker, but it may be harder to push air through with the staggered tubes. Only one way to find out!


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on January 24, 2011, 01:51:25 AM
Got the new radiator in with no problems and a perfect 1/4" gap all the way round - pretty pleased with that!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_24_01_11_12_22_56.jpeg)

Was less impressed when trying to go for a test drive tho - the battery was completely dead! I always leave him with the earth lead off and a maintenance charger on, but there wasn't even enough current to light up the dash. ???

But now Arnold's all sorted, I'm hoping to make some progress on the white Moke (in between a million other things).


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on February 06, 2011, 01:51:31 AM
Had a win last week - scored a big compressor for a carton of Corona. ;D

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_06_02_11_12_27_30.jpeg)

25 cfm two stage with a 150 litre tank. I will chuck the cage out and have to swap the 3 phase motor for a 480 volt one, but it should run the sandblast cabinet quite nicely.

The truck it's on was a bit more expensive - 3 cartons. :o (plus $21 for a permit to drive it home)

Gotta love the beer economy! ;D ;D


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on February 06, 2011, 06:14:01 AM
yes thats a score!
Well done
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: sa mokin on February 06, 2011, 08:17:17 AM
Nice Maddog - that is exactly what I need - my poor 50 liter tank has my compressor running non stop when blasting....   >:(
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: carter_GT. on February 06, 2011, 09:06:45 PM
Sorry maddog i have to point out that you have exactly 1275 posts. :) :)
But its looking awsome.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on February 06, 2011, 09:40:51 PM
Quote
Sorry maddog i have to point out that you have exactly 1275 posts. :) :)

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_06_02_11_8_26_20.jpeg)

 ;D ;D

Spent the day with a set of calipers measuring a few bolts I missed on my list. Just realised I have still forgotten some...... :-\ Very hard to decide which bolts are correct and which have been replaced at times, so some will be a best guess. Some of the factory ones are a bit long too.

Amazing though just how many 5/16 UNF bolts there are! Have got most of them in an Excel spreadsheet now, so when I'm happy with it I'll send it to those that asked.


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on February 06, 2011, 10:20:00 PM
Quote
Amazing though just how many 5/16 UNF bolts there are! Have got most of them in an Excel spreadsheet now, so when I'm happy with it I'll send it to those that asked.

To make it easy it will be available for download somewhere on the website when it is ready.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on February 15, 2011, 11:15:09 PM
Taken a break from bolts for a while, and played around with some of my other projects today.

With a few carbys to clean up, I've been trying a few different ways of doing it. Before I have just used glass beads, but it tends to peen the surface a bit, leaving it exposed to corroding and it ends up a bit dull and covered in white dust after a few months. You also need to completely strip them to remove all the beads, and it will take any plating off.

So hearing good things about soda blasting, I thought I'd give it a go. We use a bit of soda in the pool, so always have a few bags on hand. Put 8 kilos in the sandblasting cabinet, along with a grubby HS4 and fired it up.

Before.........

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_15_02_11_9_40_24_0.jpeg)

And after.....

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_15_02_11_9_40_24_1.jpeg)

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_15_02_11_9_40_24_2.jpeg)

Here you can see the yellow zinc still on the throttle linkage.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_15_02_11_9_40_24_3.jpeg)

To clean up I just washed it with hot water and blew it dry.

It probably won't be enough for a really bad carby with corrosion on it, but for just a dirty one it seems the way to go for me. All the clips still had the original coating, and came up like new. I'll get all the plated bits redone, and it should look spot on.

The only issue was the dust tends to make it hard to see, and the hopper needed a thump now and then to keep the soda flowing. But overall I'm quite impressed! And I can still use the soda in the pool afterwards. ;) ;D


Cheers, MD.

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: sa mokin on February 16, 2011, 09:15:20 AM
Hi MD

I have previously considered buying/starting a soda blasting business and as such had a tutorial on the science of using soda to blast.

The concept is to project the soda particles or crystals at a very high force so they "explode" on contact which is the mechanical process for removing paint, etc

I was explained that a normal air compressor just doesn't have the psi power to be effective - and it was suggested to get a portable compressor (on a trailer) that was capable of 200 psi.

I reckon your results would be substantially different if you upped the spraying power.  So while you got the benefit of leaving some passivate - your metal isn't as nice as what it could be with higher psi output.

But thanks for posting as I wondered what the results would be using the old beadblasting cabinet!

sa mokin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on February 16, 2011, 09:35:48 AM
It depends on how big/ strong the compressor is that was used...
for me I never know how strong the psi is ,as I was brought up in metric "BAR"
but after converting the 200psi that isnt realy that much.  Yes it is more than the average home comperssor.
but it still looks good..
I cleaned my carbi with the old beads with around 150psi and it comes up pritty much new..

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/6/1603_09_11_10_3_08_45.jpeg)

mavro
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 05, 2011, 12:43:34 AM
Hi SA,

Sorry, I must have missed your post! :-[

I have no doubt you are dead right about the higher pressure - cleans the die cast OK, but won't touch paint or corrosion. Unfortunately my compressor maxes out at around 130. I also use a water trap/regulator which may drop it a bit too. Need to look around for just a water trap.

The two stage compressor I picked up the other day goes much higher, so that will possibly be better. But then I will have to have some proper hoses made so they don't blow off when they get hot!

All in all though I am happy with the results. More of a thorough clean than a polish. I did a wiper motor the other day, and it had the wires etc. still on it. Cleaned up well with no damage to any of the internals or plastic parts - exactly what I was after.


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 05, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
Here's a weird one I thought worth sharing...

Went to take the kids to the video shop yesterday, got as far as the stop sign at the end of the street and Arnold died! Would spin over okay, but wouldn't run. Bit of a shock to be honest, because in all the years I've had him, Arnold has never let me down. Fortunately there was no one behind us, so we rolled back down the hill into our drive.

Pulled the top off the fuel bowl and it was completely empty. Okay - maybe blocked filter. Could blow back into the tank easily, so not that. Wound him over with the top off the bowl and nothing. Tank was nearly full. Then I noticed a damp patch on the inlet hose to the fuel pump. Sure enough, the hose was cracked and sucking air!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_04_03_11_11_46_51.jpeg)

Cut the end off and pushed it back on to get the videos - but today I replaced all the hoses. I was amazed how bad they were! They are only 8 years old but were full of cracks and hard as iron. Explains the rough running and high idle for the last few weeks. :-[

So a lesson learned. Replace the fuel hoses a bit more often!


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on March 05, 2011, 06:08:50 AM
I must admit Ive been wondering about how the rubber hoses go near to the extractors - I guess this answers my question.
Ill have a chat to a couple of my specialist hose suppliers and see if they have anything that will cope with high radiant heat
Martin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on March 05, 2011, 10:07:08 AM
maybe use the hoses with the metal around it...
like this

(http://www.freewebs.com/scooterloopy/images/products/braidedpipe.jpg)

mavro.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on March 05, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
Hi,

On todays GOR trip I was looking under the bonnet of one of the Mokes and noticed the fuel hose from the outlet was resting on the extractors!! and had been for some time. It got replumb at lunchtime but it is still only about 10mm away due to the direction of the outlet on the pump.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on March 06, 2011, 04:52:17 AM
Ive been wondering if its best to use metal tubing bent to shape and 2" lengths of hose to join it to the carb and fuel pump
Martin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: moemoke on March 06, 2011, 07:50:28 AM
Ive been wondering if its best to use metal tubing bent to shape and 2" lengths of hose to join it to the carb and fuel pump
Martin

I thinks that's how they were original, I think there is even a clip on the firewall to hold the pipe
away from the exhaust.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on March 06, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
Hi,

The metal tubing would allow you to be more precise about getting it away from the exhaust but then metal tube would conduct the heat to the fuel a lot easier than a hose set up.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 06, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
The fuel pump has already been modified to keep the hoses a bit further away from the exhaust - not much room for a metal pipe!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/5/957_18_09_10_2_34_13.jpeg)

I think the main problem for me was the pump is a later one with a 5/16 inlet tube, so the 1/4 hose was a bit stretched and may have broken the cords inside it.

You could wrap it with some heat insulation I guess..

http://www.ngmotorsport.com/shop/products/39.php

.. but for now I will at least replace them with some good quality EFI hose a bit more often. ;)


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 07, 2011, 10:28:01 PM
Hi,

Been having a few issues with Sunraysia wheel nuts for a while now, and thought I had better fix it before something bad happens. :o

A few years ago I had a spare set of wheels powder coated and put on Arnold. Nice freshly chromed caps and new nuts - looked great. But next time I took the wheels off, the nuts were very tight and chewed up...

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_07_03_11_8_58_17_1.jpeg)

Even ripped some of the powder coat off. >:( I filed them down and tried again, only to snap some studs off. :-[ Turns out the wheels had been used with the wrong nuts and stuffed the seats, which in turn was ruining the nuts..

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_07_03_11_8_58_17_3.jpeg)

So the other day I finally got my wallet out and bought a 60 degree countersink......$115!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_07_03_11_8_58_17_0.jpeg)

Fortunately I have a drill press big enough to take the rim without having to take the tyre off - although I did break the bead on the back and removed the weights so the rim sat flat on the table.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_07_03_11_8_58_17_4.jpeg)

Only took 2 seconds per hole - but what a difference!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_07_03_11_8_59_23.jpeg)

Being a bit short of cash now, I turned the nuts down in the lathe to a true 60 degrees (new ones are about 65-70 :o) Lost some chrome, but I can live with that.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_07_03_11_8_58_17_2.jpeg)

So hopefully that has fixed my problem. And I still have the countersink to do all the other wheels in the fleet - I reckon most will need it looking at the nuts they had. ;D


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Samm on March 07, 2011, 10:31:41 PM
You Sir are a very clever man.

I tip my invisible hat to you.

Samm
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on March 07, 2011, 10:35:43 PM
Nice job MD.

Considering the size of your fleet I think the $115 was well spent. Would end up costing you that in nuts and studs eventually.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Casper on March 07, 2011, 10:38:10 PM
And make some more hiring it out to other sunny owners! ;D


Casper
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 10, 2011, 02:16:21 AM
Quote
And make some more hiring it out to other sunny owners! ;D

Even better - if you bring them round, I'll do them for free! ;D ;D


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 10, 2011, 03:55:23 AM
The curse of owning more than one Moke is that one will always need some work. :( :D

Poor old Ron is the No.1 driver training vehicle in the kennel, and has been getting a workout lately (less than 12 months until my oldest gets her L's). I had to rebuild the brakes last year after practising emergency stops - and I'm just hoping the clutch holds out until they get the hang of it! :o
 
But at the moment the cooling system needs some attention - stuffed water pump and severe fin rot in the radiator. The plan is to use the leaking two core radiator I pulled out of Arnold, and convert the original bypass to something better. Unfortunately Ron has the rear facing thermostat housing, so I'll have to change that and make a new top bracket.

I don't have any spare heater outlets for the new bypass, so have started to make a couple of them. Marked them out on a bit of steel...

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_10_03_11_12_57_51_1.jpeg)


Took a while to cut them out with a hacksaw! Bent up some copper pipe.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_10_03_11_12_57_51_2.jpeg)

Found the leak in the two core...a split tube. Easy enough to get to, so soldered a bit of shim brass around it.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_10_03_11_12_57_51_0.jpeg)

Made a new bypass inlet and drilled a hole in the top tank.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_10_03_11_12_57_51_3.jpeg)

Bead blasting never fails to impress, does it! 8) Hopefully find time tomorrow to get the oxy out and solder it all up.


MD.

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Darth Moke on March 10, 2011, 12:27:39 PM

I'm amazed with your skills !!! You're lucky your crop grows on its own !! Leaves you more time on the mokes !  ;) ;) ;)

I bet one day we'll see a MD thread called " build your own moke from scratch"


Admirative Darth
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: adamstuart on March 10, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
MD mate

I'm incredibly impressed with your skills, and your dedication.
Keep it up, really good stuff to watch.

Adam.


PS. Can i borrow some tools  ;D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 10, 2011, 09:05:13 PM
Thanks Guys. :) :-[ :-[

Quote
PS. Can i borrow some tools ;D

Of course Adam - I just need a body part of equal or greater value as a deposit. ;D ;D


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: nickomokeo on March 10, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
I like the way you casually say.......

Took a while to cut them out with a hacksaw! Bent up some copper pipe.

They look like they were cut by water jet.  You also didn't mention the pipe flaring tool.

Nicko the impressed
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: adamstuart on March 10, 2011, 09:34:15 PM
Thanks Guys. :) :-[ :-[

Of course Adam - I just need a body part of equal or greater value as a deposit. ;D ;D


MD.

Most certainly.

I'll take your english wheel.
And you can have Matt's right hand as collateral. :)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mattsmadmini on March 10, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
Most certainly.

I'll take your english wheel.
And you can have Matt's right hand as collateral. :)

right?

left would be fine...  :D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 13, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
A little progress this weekend. I was hoping to have the front subframe out of the white moke painted by now - but it has spent two weeks sitting in the sandblasters yard without being done, so I brought it home before it got run over or pinched. Might have to do it myself! :(

Soldered up the radiator. Ended up doing the top tank too as it had a few pin holes.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_13_03_11_8_40_34_1.jpeg)

Made some plugs to block the outlets and pressure tested it. Like my makeshift testing tank? ;D ;D

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_13_03_11_8_40_34_0.jpeg)

A tubless tyre valve in the bypass hose worked well - pump it up and look for bubbles (sounds like Michael Jackson :o).

Made the new top bracket.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_13_03_11_8_40_34_2.jpeg)

While I was at it, I made some templates to save time on the next one.

Now I just need to paint it all, and install it. Not looking forward to that installing bit...... :( :(


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on March 28, 2011, 11:27:03 PM
Two weeks since my last update - but I have beeen chipping away at it! ;)

Stripped a couple of front hubs the other day, and if you've ever done it you'll know how hard they are to hold in a vice. :( A nice quick solution was two bits of 2" pipe through the middle and pressing on the bearing spacer. 1 1/2" long on the outside and 3" long on the inside.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_28_03_11_9_56_07_0.jpeg)

This was with the cones out, but I can't see why it wouldn't work with them in - maybe just make them 1/2" shorter?

In my attempt to build a moke from scratch (thanks for the idea Darth! ;D), I made a couple of benders to go in the press. First one uses an old blade from a pressbrake, cut down to a more managable 7" long.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_28_03_11_9_56_07_1.jpeg)

Should be good for bends up to 5mm thick. The folder I have is made to take 1.6mm, and I don't want to bend it doing small bits of thicker steel.

The second uses two bits of axle from an F100 diff and some flat plate. Still needs some welding obviously.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_28_03_11_9_56_07_2.jpeg)

I have made a prototype part, but don't have a photo yet. Until then - you'll have to guess! ;D


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on March 29, 2011, 09:59:43 AM
Hi,

I was wondering when how practical your method of holding the swivel hub might b, thinking working on bearings and CV's etc, but eventually decided it would be handy for  working on the ball joints. It has also given me an idea for how to mount/hold the swivel up in the Press for when fitting the bearing cones. Thanks.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 04, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
I was wondering when how practical your method of holding the swivel hub might b, thinking working on bearings and CV's etc, but eventually decided it would be handy for  working on the ball joints. It has also given me an idea for how to mount/hold the swivel up in the Press for when fitting the bearing cones.

Hi Terry,

Yes, only any good for the ball joints. But 2" pipe is a perfect size to sit the hub on to press the cones in. Cheap, soft and easy to find - just needs facing off. ;) To set up the bearings I just grab it by the caliper mounts.

Speaking of bearings and cones, on the weekend I turned up a driver out of an old v-belt pulley. The soft aluminium can't hurt the cones. Put a handle on made out of inch shaft so I can use a hammer as well.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_04_04_11_9_24_05_0.jpeg)

Also welded up the benders, and had a play around getting them working. A few of my practice runs...

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_04_04_11_9_24_05_1.jpeg)

And the finished item!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_04_04_11_9_24_05_2.jpeg)

Only 3mm plate, so no stronger than the original. But if I can make them out of scrap for nothing, I won't mind replacing them more often. ;D I consider them a wearing part anyway, and much easier to replace than the firewall. ;)

Just need to make a few and get them plated so I can throw all the dodgy welded up ones in the bin!


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on April 05, 2011, 07:51:57 AM

Also welded up the benders, and had a play around getting them working. A few of my practice runs...

 


Brackets look good MD, but the photos of the finished benders didn't show up on my computer  ;)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 15, 2011, 02:06:40 AM

Brackets look good MD, but the photos of the finished benders didn't show up on my computer ;)

Sorry Newie, I'll get onto that. ;D

Have been flat out lately with other "paying" jobs. Had to replace the clutch in one of the trucks - blew the centre out of the plate and all the damper springs were rattling around with the flywheel! And don't anyone complain about replacing a moke clutch - I reckon the gearbox alone weighs more than a whole moke! Also rebuilt the brakes, and loved the peice of paper in the rebuild kit which said: "the original quad seal is of poor design....". NOW you tell me! :o

Anyway, truck is done, and now have a loader in that also needs a new clutch. Also changed fuel suppliers, and they want 2" bottom fill on all fuel tanks before they will deliver. :(

Busy, busy, busy!


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on April 15, 2011, 07:21:06 AM
Love the way you call them "paying" jobs MD  ::)

I recently spent about a week messing around chaanging/repairing/painting trays and other bits and pieces on a couple of utes. Had someone tell me that I should try to do it on weekends as it's not really "work" - when you work for yourself it is! You either do it yourself or cop the bill to pay someone else. When you work on an hourly rate, you have to weigh up whether you can earn more in that week than it will cost to pay someone.

Hope you get your loader sorted before something else gets put in line behind it in the shed  :)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Pete Power on April 15, 2011, 02:23:55 PM
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and they want 2" bottom fill on all fuel tanks before they will deliver.
What do you mean by that?
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 15, 2011, 08:38:35 PM
Hi Pete,

Means the fuel truck drivers won't/aren't allowed to climb up and fill the storage tanks from the top like they used to. Fair enough too I suppose - it is a bit dangerous with a big hose over your shoulder (especially if they spill a bit ;)).

So we have to run a 2" pipe down from the top to a ball valve and camlock so they can fill them from ground level. Duty of care and all that......

Newie - you're right. I really only have a 'paying' job for five weeks of the year. The rest of the year I have to work for free. ;) ;D


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Halfpint on April 15, 2011, 10:36:39 PM
Newie - you're right. I really only have a 'paying' job for five weeks of the year. The rest of the year I have to work for free. ;) ;D

MD.
Dont worry Maddog, We love your "Free Work".
Only wish you had a bit more "Free Time" for us. But hey, gotta work.
HP
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 19, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
Quote
Only wish you had a bit more "Free Time" for us.

You are more than welcome to donate HP..... ;) ;D

Finally pulled Ron's radiator out tonight, and it looks a bit sad....

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_19_04_11_9_34_21_0.jpeg)

More fin rot than a dead goldfish. The other side isn't much better...

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_19_04_11_9_34_21_1.jpeg)

Still, it hasn't been out since 1979, and shows how little it takes to keep a standard 998 cool. We did a 50k trip into the bush a few weeks ago, and he never missed a beat. I did take 20l of water though, just in case.

The bypass hose still has the part number sticker on it - but I don't think I'll be putting it back.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_19_04_11_9_34_21_2.jpeg)

Bad news is I snapped all three thermostat housing bolts off. :-[ :'( But I guess that was to be expected, and they have a date with Mr Oxy Torch tommorrow.


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on April 19, 2011, 10:33:51 PM
That's one sad looking radiator MD.

Ron won't know what's hit him when you put that flash reco'ed unit in  :)
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Halfpint on April 19, 2011, 10:48:44 PM
You are more than welcome to donate HP..... ;) ;D

Wish I could MD. I can't take a good pic, and all the work was really done before I found out about the good folks on this forum ;)
Definitely learned a lot about pictorial documentation since though.
HP
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 19, 2011, 11:18:22 PM
I was thinking cash HP - so I can give up my day job... ;D ;D ;D

But I'm sure you could throw together a potted history of PRU, sounds like there are some stories to tell! ;)


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 20, 2011, 08:48:22 PM
As promised, I got medieval on Ron today... ;)

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_20_04_11_8_24_54.jpeg)

Eventually got it all off, and the rest of the bolts came out quite easily. But this is now my newest worst job on a moke!

Spent about an hour trying to dig all the crap out of the block drain with a drill bit, but still couldn't get any water through it. ??? Left it soaking in Ranex overnight to see if that will shift it.

On a brighter note, the thermostat was a stainless one and looks like new, so can go back after a boil up on the stove to make sure it works. ;D


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: aussieclown on April 20, 2011, 09:39:33 PM
MD,

Try that CLR stuff or years ago I used to use vinigar, the white one, pour it in, let sit for a day works on the whole system including the radiator

AC
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 21, 2011, 10:00:18 PM
Thanks AC. I like the sound of the vinegar, cheap and easy to get. Will have to try that! ;)

I had some R-20 rust dissolver, which said to dilute 5-1 with water. If a bit is good, then more must be better, so I tipped the whole bottle in with no water. Block holds around 1.3 litres in case you were wondering.

Still had to dig the last of the crap out of the drain hole with a 1/4" drill bit, but now it looks quite clean inside.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_21_04_11_9_52_09.jpeg)

Check out my old 'Super Low-Flow' water pump.... ;D

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_21_04_11_9_34_50.jpeg)

I'll probably lose a couple of horsepower with a new one! :(


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on April 21, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
So is it smart to clean the water system while everything is out ?
just to make sure with vinegar, even though I have flushed the system with water.?

mavro
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 22, 2011, 01:04:05 AM
I would say it is definitely worth doing Mav. It will get a lot more out than just water! The rust is a kind of insulator, and slows the transfer of heat to the coolant.

Unfortunately I didn't take any before photos, but imagine orange mud all through the inside of the block. An overnight soak and a good flush with water and compressed air, and it looks pretty clean again.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_22_04_11_12_28_17.jpeg)

I haven't used vinegar, so can't comment. But any of the rust treatments should do a good job as long as you don't leave it in too long (in case it eats away something it shouldn't like the core plugs).

I'd also replace the water pump, even if the bearings are okay. They always seem to leak after being left dry for a while.


MD.

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on April 22, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
Hi MD
you mean like this

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/1603_22_04_11_9_49_28.jpeg)

I need a new water pump, as the end bit where the hose goes on is pritty rotten.
that may be the reason it was getting a bit hot on very warm days....

mavro
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: aussieclown on April 22, 2011, 09:59:09 AM
viniger removes the scaling and other crap as it essentially is a very mild acid. people use it to clean scalling out of kettles and a mirad of other reasons.

AC
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on April 22, 2011, 10:01:24 AM
I just put a liter of it in

will clean it out tonight

mav.


I used red wine vinigar as I what it to be classy  ;D
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 24, 2011, 10:05:09 PM
I don't know how these things happen...... but what started out as a quick water pump and radiator swap has turned into a full engine tidy up. :-\ :-[

Stripped the engine bay out and degreased it all yesterday, and fixed the leaking oil filter head.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_24_04_11_9_25_30_1.jpeg)

Today it got masked up and a couple of spray cans of paint.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_24_04_11_9_25_30_2.jpeg)

It's not perfect, but a lot better than it was. Also didn't want to spend too long on it - being school holidays there are a couple of kids waiting for it to be finished.

Because all the bolt on bits will look really crap against the new paint, I have been blasting and painting them to go back on. The distributor came up really well!

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_24_04_11_9_25_30_3.jpeg)

Just a quick bead blast and coat of clear lacquer. The clamp plate is a spare I had plated a while ago.

So tomorrow is re-assembly day - before I forget where all the bits go (or the family kills me!).


Cheers, MD.

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on April 24, 2011, 10:14:57 PM
I painted mine today too.....Yep all black too.

looks sweet  in black...some silver bits and bling you go......

looking good MD.
what colour for the rocker cover ?
Yellow ?

if you ask me you spend more time on the photos then on the cars  ;D

mav.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 24, 2011, 10:50:02 PM
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what colour for the rocker cover ?

Sorry Mav - plain old black for that too... :( I know it sounds boring, but I'm trying to keep it fairly original. Also keeps the local Mr Plod happy if he ever looks under the bonnet. ;)

But it is a deep glossy black, and will get brightened up with a sticker and chrome bolts. I wouldn't mind some yellow plug leads tho - if I could find some!

I do spend a bit of time on the photos, and would like to take more if it didn't slow things down so much. But I have a pretty good system for taking ones like the distributor, and if you could see how simple it is, you may be suprised!


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: justmokeing on April 24, 2011, 11:00:42 PM
Hi MD
 minisport uk has yellow leads for $20.0 bucks engine bay looking good

regards JM
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 24, 2011, 11:12:17 PM
Thanks JM, I will have a look. 8)

Already have a bit of a basket going there... :-[


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mavro on April 24, 2011, 11:16:48 PM
Sorry Mav , but I'm trying to keep it fairly original.
MD.


But by painting the gearbox Black it's not original anymore :P

mav.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 24, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
You can't fool me Mav - the gearbox was definitely black at one time! ;D

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_24_04_11_11_22_38.jpeg)

I knew someone would ask, so took a photo. :P


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: martin on April 25, 2011, 05:30:34 AM
looking good MD - be careful of tidying things up, it gets out of control.

Martin
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 26, 2011, 12:16:54 AM
In between moke rebuilds and the boring paying jobs, this week I had a more interesting and urgent job - helping my Father get his 1942 Ford army jeep ready for the local ANZAC day parade.

While it has been fully restored, it isn't licenced and doesn't get used that much, so had a few minor issues. Main problem was a blocked fuel pipe inside the tank, which was fixed using an old speedo cable in a cordless drill like a drain cleaner.

It also runs on 6 volts, so getting a new battery was near impossible, as well as finding some silicone brake fluid at short notice. The hardest part though was getting a permit to drive in a parade from someone who had no idea what ANZAC day is!

But he made it in the end, and carried the town's oldest veteran to the service.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_26_04_11_12_00_10_1.jpeg)

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_26_04_11_12_00_11_2.jpeg)

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/7/957_26_04_11_12_00_10_0.jpeg)


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: this little piggy on April 26, 2011, 07:04:53 AM
Quote
The hardest part though was getting a permit to drive in a parade from someone who had no idea what ANZAC day is!

Were you doing it through a call centre?

How is this possible?  You must explain!

Great to see such participation in the Anzac parade.  Good photos md
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 27, 2011, 10:45:25 PM
Quote
Were you doing it through a call centre?

How is this possible?  You must explain!

Ha ha - I know you've dealt with this kind of thing before TLP! ;D

The Police were very good and would turn a blind eye, but for insurance reasons suggested a parade licence. The local licencing centre didn't know how to do it, so rang licencing in Perth - who didn't know either, or what ANZAC day was, and actually asked if it would be a regular event! ??? :o In the end it was all too hard, and quicker to get a temporary permit, 48 hrs for $21.

Good news is the local vehicle inspector has said he will licence it - despite being left hand drive, no indicators, no seat belts, no wipers etc, etc.....plus having an axe and a shovel bolted to the side! Just need to get a vintage/veteran concession sorted out.


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 27, 2011, 11:47:27 PM
Got a few bits back in place, like the RADIATOR!!! I think I only swore once.... although Mrs Maddog reckons she heard me several times. :-[ The new top bracket fitted perfectly, but needed a couple of bends to line it up height wise which buggered the paint job. :(

Trying to outback proof Ron, I have done away with the original bypass hose and now the hot water will come out of the head via the heater outlet and straight into the radiator top tank. It will take a bit longer to warm up, but not usually a problem here! Also added a high flow pump, kevlar hoses, new fan and a hi flow two core radiator. I think the radiator will be fine, but there is room to install a four core if needed.

In the end I bent up a new bypass pipe out of 1/2" copper - didn't like the idea of an ugly hose winding around the engine bay. Trial fit....

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/957_27_04_11_10_56_09_0.jpeg)

It almost lines up with the inlet - but not bad for a guess! (And yes, I have another rocker cover to go on. ;))

Dummied it all up on an old head to add the mounting brackets, and will silver solder it all together tomorrow and flare the end for the hose.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/957_27_04_11_10_56_09_1.jpeg)


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on April 28, 2011, 07:39:08 AM
Very neat looking innovation there as always MD  :). Much nicer than the rubber hose look.


Newie
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on April 28, 2011, 08:31:50 AM
Hi,

I think it would look even better n Chrome :)

Very nice idea, though are you sure it is going to work? And are the braces/supports in the mock going to be on the head to support the water filled pipe?

The usual idea of getting cooler water from the bottom radiator hose and putting it in through the heater inlet at #4 is with the idea of putting cooler water down that end of the head. I am not entirely sure that works as intended either due to to the direction of water flow.

In your set up the hot water from the engine is pumped into top header tank and whatever doesn't go down the cores is going to return the other end of the head at about the same temp as what it came out at. If the usual system does actually work then wouldn't your nice pipe be better off picking up from the heater outlet on the the bottom hose to pump colder water to #4.

Terry

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: nickomokeo on April 28, 2011, 09:00:23 AM
wouldn't your nice pipe be better off picking up from the heater outlet on the the bottom hose to pump colder water to #4.

I don't think that would work.  You would get water circulating through the head, coming out the heater outlet and back in via the bottom hose and not actually going through the radiator.

Nicko
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on April 28, 2011, 09:18:44 AM
I don't think that would work.  You would get water circulating through the head, coming out the heater outlet and back in via the bottom hose and not actually going through the radiator.

Nicko

That is about what I think too, that is why I am not entirely sure the the usual method of picking up from the heater outlet works, however it has been a mod that many people have done for many years and it supposedly works but something else must be happening.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: mattsmadmini on April 28, 2011, 09:35:39 AM
That looks gorgeous MD!!!!

Ive been thinking of doing the same thing for a while, but i was going to go along the front into the thermostat housing.... Copper for the win i reckon!

and dont replace it for chrome... polish up the copper to a mirror finish instead ;)

-Matt

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: aussieclown on April 28, 2011, 10:24:48 AM
HI Puppy,

Good Job,

May I suggest the following,

Bend the brackets around the pipe and then solder. I have seen this set up before done on older 4WD and where the silver solder is will rupture due to vibration. By wrapping the bracket around the pipe prevent this from ocurring

AC
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Newie on April 28, 2011, 11:11:01 AM

and dont replace it for chrome... polish up the copper to a mirror finish instead ;)

-Matt

And then repolish it every week or so  ;)

You can actually get copper pipe with a chrome type finish (actually nickel plated I think) which would look quite good too, although you'd muck up the finish a bit when you silver soldered it - well I would, Maddog would probably do it invisibly from the other side or something  ;) ;D

The plus side is that MD should have plenty of time to work out whether the system actually works before I get mine done  :)


Newie
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on April 28, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
Quote
Trying to outback proof Ron, I have done away with the original bypass hose and now the hot water will come out of the head via the heater outlet and straight into the radiator top tank.

I did some more thinking/asking about this and in the case that a thermostat shuts down then yes this method for bypassing it may work, however in a normally functioning system the water is likely to just get confused and not travel the pipe. The water pump will be trying to push it from the heater outlet end and the water pressure in the header tank will be pushing it from the other end.

A couple of holes drilled in the thermostat base would offer the same protection without the risk of pipe fatigue or breakage.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on April 28, 2011, 09:18:21 PM
Thanks for the comments Guys!
 
I must admit I'm a bit relieved it fitted first try - the bender has all the measments about how much you lose or gain on a bend, but got a bit confusing in the end so I just eyeballed it.
 
I hope no-one will be disappointed - but I was just going to paint it black! Sort of the subtle factory fitted effect rather than 'look at me!'. But copper is perfect to chrome if you like that sort of thing. ;)

May I suggest the following,

Bend the brackets around the pipe and then solder. I have seen this set up before done on older 4WD and where the silver solder is will rupture due to vibration. By wrapping the bracket around the pipe prevent this from ocurring

Excellent idea AC - I will do that. I did have the brackets wrapped around underneath so it looked neat on top, but reliability is more important. Thanks.

I did some more thinking/asking about this and in the case that a thermostat shuts down then yes this method for bypassing it may work, however in a normally functioning system the water is likely to just get confused and not travel the pipe. The water pump will be trying to push it from the heater outlet end and the water pressure in the header tank will be pushing it from the other end.

A couple of holes drilled in the thermostat base would offer the same protection without the risk of pipe fatigue or breakage.

Terry

I understand your thinking Terry, but I don't believe it will work like that. The water is in a closed loop, traveling in one direction assisted by the pump. Water is pushed into the block by the pump, and out the heater outlet across to the top tank. From here is is sucked or pushed down the core into the bottom hose to go around again. When the thermostat opens there will be more flow through the radiator, but it will all still go in the same direction. The water pump will push on both the top hose and the bypass, and both flows will have to go down through the radiator to the bottom hose to the suction side of the pump to replace the coolant the pump has pushed out of the block.

The pipe I have is plumbed exactly the same as the top radiator hose - except it comes off the other end of the head and doesn't have a thermostat. It is also very similar to the later heater setup, except the return is to the top tank and not the bottom - the only difference is the coolant travels down a tube inside the radiator and not one soldered to the side.

Holes in the thermostat are a good option, and what I have on Arnold (although he has a heater as well). The advantage of this system is it takes water from the hottest part of the head, and replaces it with cooled water from the radiator. It also increases the total flow through the radiator if the thermostat is ever full open. I wouldn't bother if I had a heater, as this does the same thing with the heater core doing the cooling instead of the radiator.

At the end of the day, the difference probably won't be noticable - but if it never overheats then I'm happy! ;D


Cheers, MD.


Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: nickomokeo on April 28, 2011, 09:55:54 PM
Matt Reid does this modification to all his engines.
I did it to mine last year, the only difference being I piped it through the inlet manifold.
Nicko
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Casper on April 28, 2011, 10:58:54 PM
As always you doing what I (and others) are thinking. I love it (talk later about some piping for me  ;) )

Casper
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on May 01, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
Matt Reid does this modification to all his engines.
I did it to mine last year, the only difference being I piped it through the inlet manifold.
Nicko

So does it work Nicko?? ;D

Managed to get a full day in the Kennel today, although I never seem to get as much done as I'd like. :(

Made new brackets for the pipe, as suggested by AC.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/957_01_05_11_8_44_24_0.jpeg)

Then soldered it all up - doesn't look quite as pretty now....... :'(

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/957_01_05_11_8_44_24_1.jpeg)

While I had the oxy out, I soldered up the expansion tank. It had a couple of leaks around the seam that I probably made worse by bead blasting it.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/957_01_05_11_8_44_25_3.jpeg)

And finally fitted new steady bushes. Has anyone used the new type? They were all I had, so thought I'd give them a go.

(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/957_01_05_11_8_44_25_2.jpeg)

Had to press them in, but look like they should work okay.

While removing the old bushes, I noticed someone had carefully ground the steel spacer down in all of them to take a bit of the slop out - how tight can you get! :D


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: nickomokeo on May 01, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
My engine stays nice and cool all the time. Even on a stinking hot Queensland day the temp only goes up a tad.

As to weather the mod works.  Matt assures me that it gives a much more even temperature across the head, by giving better flow down to the hot end of the head.  you would need to put temp guages on both ends of the head before and after the mod to confirm it though and I never have.

I must confess, I gave myself an out.  I blocked the bypass by pushing a half inch ball bearing into the hose.  Thereby making it reversable if I wanted to, but all good so far.

Nicko
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: SMOKEN on May 01, 2011, 10:06:11 PM
G'day Nicko,
            How smart are you? i'dve never thought of that

           smoken
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on May 01, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
Thanks Nicko - glad I haven't wasted the last week! ;)

I actually bought a digital thermometer with two probes to test it, but might be meaningless without something to compare it to. Still, it makes sense to my soggy brain. And if Matt says it works, that'll do me!

I blocked the bypass with a new pump without the hole and a silicon hose - so I can swing both ways too. ;D

The 1275's with the heated manifolds will be the same as your setup, or even a second radiator and back into the bottom hose.


Cheers, MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on May 01, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
Matt Reid does this modification to all his engines.
I did it to mine last year, the only difference being I piped it through the inlet manifold.
Nicko

Does the Matt R. mod go into the top tap or into the Heater hose pick ups?

Might concern with MD's neat little set up is that there is nothing to draw the water to the far end of the head so for the purpose of a more even cooling I am not sure it is going to work as well as other set ups using the std points of the bottom hose or the lower tank.

As far as a bypass for a stuck thermostat then it should really pump enough water to give you time to notice the temp is going up before it cooks the engine.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on May 02, 2011, 01:31:42 AM
Hi Terry,

Matt can probably explain it better than I can (3/4 of the way down).........

http://www.ausmini.com/forums/index.php?topic=57877&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=top+tank&start=15


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on May 02, 2011, 02:22:18 AM
Hi,

I am not sure that actually solves my curiousity either. :) but that is not to say it isn't working in many cases either.

Water takes the easiest path so to me if the pump is chugging away at idle putting through enough water to comfortably flow through the thermostat with little effort or pressure then why would the water travel to the other end of the head to escape. At speed I can understand pressure would force the water out the heater outlet, but at idle perhaps not.

Using the bottom hose or the lower radiator inlet then you will have either Venturi or Syphoning affect respectively drawing the water from the heater outlet almost regardless of what the pump is doing.

Once you have all this connected I would be interested to see if you can connect up a clear hose between your copper tube and the header tank and see if there is a change in the water flow once the thermostat opens.

Terry

Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Maddog on May 02, 2011, 02:26:48 AM
You're a hard man to convince Terry! ;D


MD.
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: Terry on May 02, 2011, 09:44:43 AM
Hi,

I could make it easier for you and just keep asking Why each time you post???

I have seen an overheating issue recently and I have had to think about the cooling system in a bit more depth and found that that not everything works the way I thought or expected it would and because your pip is the highest point of the system I am thinking it might suffer from the same problem I saw here.

Let me know how it turns out.

Terry
Title: Re: In The Kennel - The Dog Blog
Post by: nickomokeo on May 02, 2011, 12:36:08 PM
The new pipe goes into a new outlet inlet in the top tank, just like MD has done.
This means the water through the new pipe gets to flow down through the radiator.  If it went into the heater inlet on the bottom hose it would just resurculate uncooled.
I plumbed mine through the inlet manifold too coz it looked a bit neater.

For engines without a heater the bulk of the water circulates around the radiator end of the block and head.  This mod simple allows better flow to the other end and therfore more even temperature across the head.

Here's a pici of mine
(http://www.moke.com.au/Forum/gallery/8/1391_02_05_11_12_35_22.jpeg)

Nicko